Why Elon is Wrong About Hydrogen Fuel

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A few weeks ago Wheelhouse made an episode about how Hydrogen cars were supposed to be the future of automobiles. And in that episode Nolan made a pretty good economic argument for why they failed. An argument that everyone’s favorite billionaire, Elon Musket, might agree with. But like all things car related, I get curious about the engineering side of things. Outside of politics, why couldn’t the car of the future be hydrogen powered? Well today on B2B we’re gonna take a look at hydrogen-fueled tech, and explain why Elon Musk might just be wrong about hydrogen cars.

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  • end of video: yes, yes, yes... will someone build the infrastructure: no.

    Markus SchulzMarkus Schulz6 саат мурун
  • There is more holding back fuel cell vehicles. There is more electric energy used to get the hydrogen then the ammount of energy you get out of it. Which makes the only good thing about hydrgen fuel celled vehicles is that you fill up ypur car like you fill up a gas vehicle.

    NotThePresidentNotThePresident6 саат мурун
  • Bottom line is they're not going to go with the most efficient system; they're going to go with the system that nets the largest profits. Remember they two guys that cultivated jewelry quality diamonds in a lab? Of course you don't, because they were found dead a week after they announced their achievement. 🙄

    garbajfulgarbajful18 саат мурун
  • Why not having hydrogen-cell/battery hybrid vehicles? If you are driving in town you can draw power from the rechargeable batteries, and if you have to cover longer distances you can rely on the hydrogen cells.

    ARX 351ARX 35119 саат мурун
  • In the long term, hydrogen seems better because of the mining required to make batteries for electric vehicles.

    jagdeep mannjagdeep mann20 саат мурун
    • And fuel cell systems which btw are the equiv. to a battery, do not require mined materials?

      Milan SwobodaMilan Swoboda4 саат мурун
  • naaaahhh - only reason why IC-Car-Industry Managers like H2 is because the reasult of believing in H2 is always that we have to go on with IC-Engines. Many companies hve tried for decades with very little results. H2 = much too complex in.. ..H2-production --H2-storage ..H2-transportation and H2 efficiency is very poor which is a NoGo because green energy is going to be very limited in the future. => Battery is the way to go imo :)

    67er_Matze67er_Matze21 саат мурун
  • I think we shouldn't disturb the water cycle of earth.

    Haider JafreeHaider Jafree21 саат мурун
    • LOL we are already doing that

      Milan SwobodaMilan Swoboda4 саат мурун
  • Elon is STILL right though, a hydrogen fuel network is far less developed than an electric distribution system. Electric cars can be plugged straight into a home outlet which reduces their entry level to the market. Hydrogen, in the immediate future, makes a great deal of sense for fleet and heavy vehicles where a fueling hub can be installed and maintained. If we were to wait on the technology for hydrogen alone and not invest efforts in battery electric, we would be delaying the long term development of the technology that will benefit both since the power system is only half of the equation, the drivetrain and structural design being the other and its seeing some remarkable advancements in both performance and efficiency. When its ready to be adopted mainstream, it will be as simple as changing the power plant at the manufacture level.

    Paul GloorPaul Gloor23 саат мурун
  • The problem "I cant make Hydrogen at home" And HFC's need a Battery anyway, just use Hydrogen Full cell in sport or as rang extenders or where infrastructure isn't up to electrons

    tarant315tarant315Күн мурун
  • Hydrogen acts as a middle man. You use up energy just to make energy to drive. Why not just use energy to drive. AKA A BATTERY WOAH!!! Unlike Hydrogen vehicles, batteries are capable of storing more energy and being substantially lighter.

    Jared ChamneyJared ChamneyКүн мурун
  • Solid state hydrogen discs, coming soon could disrupt the T

    FitChik AlinaFitChik AlinaКүн мурун
  • The size of Battery required for EVs & the associated raw materials is a major problem for the future of EVs. If major economies like US, EU, China, Japan, India etc invest in "Hydrogen Fuel Cell" technology then it can be used for transportation by:- (1) Ground (Roads & Railways) (2) Naval (3) Aerial

    S KS KКүн мурун
  • High performance hydrogen? I do know that it requires oxygen, so the higher the altitude the less performance you get, in fact they're researching turbos for them, so there is one performance weakness. Ok so both BEVs and HEVs are electric, the question is, can hydrogen supply just as many volts and amps as a battery can, and can it supply that just as quickly?

    Rick LeRoyRick LeRoyКүн мурун
    • The answer is no, unless you significantly increase the surface area of the catalyst in the fuel cells. The Hyperion XP-1 is extremely fast for a hydrogen car. (not as fast as a model S plaid however). But it takes up almost the entirety of its volume with fuel tanks, for fuel cells. Infact it has 3 custom made fuel cells to maximise the surface area to generate enough oomph to drive it. other hydrogen vehicles like the Mirai which places the fuel cell in the engine bay, does not produce enough power to adequately accelerate the car but enough to power it cruising. As such, it stores excess energy in a 1.6 kWh lithium battery which it draws upon for acceleration. But since that battery is so small, the acceleration is... well, its almost 10 seconds from 0-60.

      Engineering the weird guyEngineering the weird guyКүн мурун
  • There are two kinds of people who propose hydrogen over battery electric: grifters and fools. You, sir, are a grifter. You know what the issue with hydrogen is, and no, hydrogen cannot be produced "locally at a very low cost". That is exactly the problem. Electrolytic hydrogen production wastes 2/3 of the energy in heat and oxygen to the atmosphere. Or in other words: "green hydrogen" uses a lot of electricity, and is very expensive. Repeat: very expensive, not "low cost". You know that, and peddle hydrogen like your buddies in the legacy car companies because it is easier to monetize. You are a grifter.

    AndreasAndreasКүн мурун
  • It is said often (now) but Imma say it. I love Jer-Bear.

    Michael SilverioMichael SilverioКүн мурун
  • Musk is wrong about a lot of things. Take right to repair for example.

    Josh LockieJosh LockieКүн мурун
  • don't know about y'all but imma start looking for some hydrogen car crap to invest in on the stock market

    Cevon GipsonCevon GipsonКүн мурун
  • Why would anyone dislike this vid he’s telling facts

    Arbab QjArbab Qj2 күн мурун
    • Cause Elon stans

      Gurprem SinghGurprem SinghКүн мурун
  • NAW! The only change EV's need to make at this point to antiquate hydrogen is to increase charging speed a bit more, then it's game over. If people had to make oil the way we have to separate useful hydrogen we would all have been driving EV's for the past 100 years. Remember we did all that distilling of oil into gasoline with no concern for the environment, we can't do that with Hydrogen separation else what's the point.

    debytondebyton2 күн мурун
  • Surprised no mention of the Toyota hydrogen engine

    Sean WrightSean Wright2 күн мурун
  • I doubt that there will be just one solution in the future. Just like there is diesel and petrol today there will be electric, hydrogen and efuel in the future.

    Manu NManu N2 күн мурун
  • I listened because I thought you had a breakthrough. But you said electrolysis gets energy from solar, wind etc. Electric power for electric cars also get energy from those sources (but mostly for power stations with not so smart bosses - unless that solar farm is in a cool desert!). Intermittency is the biggest problem for solar and wind till Tesla makes enough batteries which will take a long time because his aim is to get rid of ICE cars first and only when people switch to robo cabs will Tesla begin supplying to large solar and wind farms. Fuel cells with the most explosive gas in all vehicles and pump stations is just a dream come true for totally insane terrorist. Might as well design a car technology where all cars must carry a few kg of TNT. - totally safe because the engineers are geniuses; car drivers will be thrilled ferrying their families in those cars.

    Prashobh KarunakaranPrashobh Karunakaran2 күн мурун
  • Ok well actually in Oxidation-Reduction reactions, think of the acronym OIL RIG. Oxidation is losing electrons, and reduction is gaining elections!

    Anwesh DattaAnwesh Datta2 күн мурун
  • What about costs? I think everyone now agrees that it's technically feasible (after all, there are fuel cell cars driving around). The issue is the economics.

    Stan RinerStan Riner2 күн мурун
  • I made a hydrogen generator in my garage from Mason jars and it sure as shit worked on a lawn mower engine, larger scale and I see no reason it won't work, hydrogen electric is not the future hydrogen combustion IS the future

    My name Isnt importantMy name Isnt important2 күн мурун
  • Hyperion XP-1 uses supercapacitors to store energy. The real problem with hydrogen is not the lack of infrastructure, it's the cost of that infrastructure and the costs associated with risk mitigations for consumers. I mean, for example, if you have a fuel leak, you'd want your car to exit automatically from your garage. Elon Musk makes rockets, right? What stopped him to use hydrogen? The main Shuttle engine, RS-25, uses hydrogen after all. One reason could be that nice detonation of the methane-air mix, but it's not the only reason. Ok, hydrogen has a very small molecule. So small that not only it can find any hole to get out, but it manages to penetrate between the atoms of any material, changing its mechanical properties. And you don't want any vessel under 200bar pressure to become brittle. You'd also want to have highly trained personnel at the fuel pumps. And I saw some guy cleaning the car after some other guy poured sugar in the fuel tank. You'd want your neighbors to be very nice people, and not like me (I'm a physicist), able to think of several methods to poison your fuel cells or to transform your car into a ticking... thing. Sure, a Tesla can be made to make sparks or a bigger flame, but it's much harder. When it comes to risk assessment, Tesla is not a very big problem. I don't mind my neighbor having 10 Teslas in his garage, but I would mind having a single H2 car. Probably I'd want to monitor myself how often he changes the tank and the pipes, what's the pressure, what's the concentration of H2 in his garage, from where he gets the fuel, and so on... That, or a regulatory nightmare for both the carmaker and for my neighbor.

    Milutzu KMilutzu K2 күн мурун
  • Lemme just clear something up real quick: ELON MUSK IS WRONG ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS

    Raji Barbir FilmsRaji Barbir Films2 күн мурун
    • Especially nuking Mars

      Anurag GuptaAnurag Gupta2 күн мурун
  • Where s the 5000$ car rack solar panel? Fcel doesnt even know about nano reaction yet it s loke a dj that needs to picking 5 girls but that let s his friend talk to them a little and delusion themselves about needing to drink

    B DumaisB Dumais2 күн мурун
  • Your analogy is wrong. Oxygen is a total chadbro helps another couple and goes home with all 4.

    elganso1000elganso10003 күн мурун
  • 7:50 'at a very low cost' of potentially as little as 3x the cost of charging an EV. THAT is elon's point, he is not wrong. The cost will NEVER make sense.

    toby1248toby12483 күн мурун
    • or even the efficiency of it unless they can make hydrogen and compress it at a higher energy efficiency its make more sense to charge batteries

      Shanee BaheraShanee Bahera2 күн мурун
  • So why exactly is Elon wrong? Because of two survey results? Apart from the obvious benefit of having a scalable onboard energy reservoir that can be quickly refuelled, there's not much to suggest hydrogen fuel cells are the superior choice for passenger cars compared to batteries. In the segment on electrolysis, you conveniently leave out the issue of efficiency and energy consumption. Wasting electricity (e.g. on turning water into hydrogen and back into water again instead of charging and discharging a battery) is not only bad from a sustainability point of view, but also translates into costs. If your hydrogen is cheap, it probably comes from natural gas reforming and hence contributes to climate change. If it comes from electrolysis, it won't be cost competitive against charging a battery from the grid. Same goes for the technology in the car, by the way. I don't really mind the fact that the Toyota Mirai is slower and less exciting than, say, a Tesla Model 3 Long Range. Passenger cars for your everyday commute don't have to be flashy and fast. What's a problem is that at the same time it is also heavier and more expensive, and still only does about the same range.

    Simon BrunnerSimon Brunner3 күн мурун
  • clickbait title, these guys are certainly not engineers or else they would question energy efficiency of hydrogen powered cars compared to EV... imagine charging your car directly from solar panels on your roof vs. refuelling car somewhere where you need to drive with hydrogen created by energy inefficient electrolysis, so much uselessly wasted energy

    spdzodzospdzodzo4 күн мурун
  • He is not wrong, he just doesn't like the idea because it's competing with his business.

    BrianBrian4 күн мурун
  • Cost, safety, weight, energy density, infrastructure. Elon is not right about everything, but he's right about hydrogen. Everyone has electricity at home already. No one has hydrogen at home, and that's not going to change.

    T1OracleT1Oracle4 күн мурун
  • I mean the infrastructure to create and transport it ain’t cheap. Then, you have the storage/efficiency problem; more compression = more explosive.

    R CamachoR Camacho4 күн мурун
  • Have a look at this . . . rather than talk bollocks, like musk, people are realising the emperors new clothes problems with BEV's and simply solving the problem, they are just not tweeting it . . . kgflow.info/title/Z2mFm6Fyi6N2epE/video&ab_channel=Harry%27sgarage . . . the error in this video is that they fail to extrapolate the observation that if it's better and cheaper for industrial plant, it's equally better and cheaper for passenger vehicles . . . In short, Batteries are too heavy and costly, fuel cells are too costly (that may change), the 'refuel' time is crippling to BEV's of all types, the infrastructural changes required for mass BEV charging are not being addressed, but we know how to put tanks on trucks . . .

    F dF d4 күн мурун
  • Billionaires are big liars Hydrogen can be seperated from water directly using solar energy LaFeO3 Lanthanum Iron Oxide as catalyst ttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21821-z gadgets.ndtv.com/science/news/scientists-find-new-way-to-produce-hydrogen-fuel-from-sunlight-1844276 Billionaires simply don't like this tech

    George StephensonGeorge Stephenson4 күн мурун
  • This did nothing to address the title of the video though? 🤨

    Daniel RobertsonDaniel Robertson4 күн мурун
  • That was a great analogy!

    Daniel RobertsonDaniel Robertson4 күн мурун
  • I love Donut, but this video is a whole new level!!! GREAT job guys!!!

    MaskabrownxMaskabrownx5 күн мурун
  • Is is happening in the future? NOOOO. Men you should have renamed the video to how H2 cars works but nothing about why Elon (and most people with a minimal logical minds) are wrong..... What part of the Economics of H2 for transportation you do NOT understand?

    Mario EscalonaMario Escalona5 күн мурун
    • That been said just add the EXECUTIVES, to those without minimal logical minds.

      Mario EscalonaMario Escalona5 күн мурун
  • In space constrict cities where people find it hard to get parking where do you think they'll get space to put charging points. It's only viable if you live in cities with huge empty spaces & live in homes with a garage attached. Many live in apartments park their car in a monthly parking space or in the street. You cant just build charging stations on the streets or in rented parking. With electric you'll still need time no matter how much you can bring down the time of charging. In a very good case say after 10 years maybe you can get a day or 2 worth of charge in less than half an hour or 15 minutes. But that will still make up for congestion & waiting times with more & more electric cars coming out imagine you'd be in line for charging with 3 4 cars ahead of u. But hydrogen can actually replace oil without changing our habbits. it will be like filling petrol where you fill the tank in a few minutes or seconds & in future as cars that run on oil diminish. Fuel pumps oil stations can be converted to hydrogen filling stations. Just like people would go & take oil in a few minutes/econds people would go & fill hydrogen. Difference is the hydrogen is even better & the tank will give you 2 to 3 times more range than our petrol tanks today. Also there is a discussion that hydrogen cars give out water in the purest form so hydrogen cars can make a way to store that water which you can take out everyday & use as drinking water.

    Tanbir OutdoorsmanTanbir Outdoorsman5 күн мурун
  • actually it not all that hard to make a hydrogen fuel cell car fast. its a easy problem to solve. all u need is just more power. instead of havin a heavy 400mile worth battery, just keep a small 10-20minutes worth high power battery as backup power which will kickin when u really need that acceleration, just have it kick in for a few sec, then cut of and run off only on fuel cell power after u get to cruising speed. then just recharge it as u cruise.

    yia01yia015 күн мурун
  • I don't understand why Americans care sooo much about 0-60 or 1/2 mile. People in other countries just want to get from point A to point B by not walking.

    Jet BlackJet Black5 күн мурун
  • Just remember that cathode is positive by thinking "t" is a plus sign

    saturndaysaturnday5 күн мурун
  • It's not politics. It's physics preventing hydrogen. Physics first principal.

    Todd ShawTodd Shaw5 күн мурун
  • The end voice is why i disliked

    RobOnThatRobOnThat5 күн мурун
  • I really love EV & Fuel Cell technologies. But the if the hydrogen is not green & its price at least match the gas it will not succeed. Green hydrogen needs to be portable for gas stations & homes, to be green & affordable

    Don. TimelessDon. Timeless6 күн мурун
  • Fuel Cell tech has proven itself to be as viable lithium batteries but the 2 reasons I think Elon is wrong about hydrogen is #1: No one is ever going to use battery powered heavy equipment for construction and farming in remote locations where there is no grid so only H2 can realistically replace diesel. #2: In December 2020 anyone could have made a kilogram of green hydrogen with just 55 kilowatt hours of grid power costing $6.00 locally. The going price per kg was over $16. You can also make it with just 50 kilowatt hours of straight solar DC power. It would be like having an oil rig in your back yard from which you could literally get fuel straight from the tap.

    Keith OnineKeith Onine6 күн мурун
  • Since when does Elon Musk have anything worth our while to say about cars? He should just run his kitchen appliance business.

    VladVlad6 күн мурун
  • Hydrogen cars are trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist

    Nick KarstenNick Karsten6 күн мурун
  • I was interested, the information was coming WAY too slowly, I lost interest, mind wandered while waiting for something relevant, and I missed it. Can anyone summarize? I'm fairly certain it can be done in three stenences.

    thr0ttl3j0ck3ythr0ttl3j0ck3y6 күн мурун
  • sound like you a Theranos and Nikola investor! big time

    Nash NgNash Ng6 күн мурун
  • 10 minutes in on 13 minute video and still no point made. Holy fuck thats annoying.

    DE1LuchDE1Luch6 күн мурун
  • @Jeremiah Burton. More about the Hyperion and hydrogen infrastructure !!!!!!

    Jordan MascarenhasJordan Mascarenhas6 күн мурун
  • This video completely blows up Donut’s credibility as an informative source. Hydrogen is the biggest fake out in the auto industry, simply because it’s hard to make and manage. No one questions the fact that it burns. And then you’re citing the opinion of auto executives-- the group that has the most to lose from the shift to EVs. Ok, I’ll listen to them because they don’t have a dog in the fight 🤦🏻‍♂️. So bad.

    Mike ChanMike Chan6 күн мурун
  • Water vapor is the worst greenhouse gas.

    Hampus_006Hampus_0066 күн мурун
  • Hyper car at 2.2 seconds 0-60. Close to a mass production Tesla Plaid.

    Dojo NationDojo Nation6 күн мурун
  • 6:52. You fo0l. Ev’s get their juice from the Sun. PERIOD!!!! Tesla makes this extremely easy with their in-home wall chargers. So give that slimmy big oil check back to them! We dont want their hydrogen cars that require us to pay the oil tycoons who have been polluting our planet out of greed. They are trying to keep their hands in our pockets by now all of a sudden trying to shove hydrogen down our throats. GIVE THEIR SPONSOR CHECK BACK!!!!!! This video is bought and paid for by them!!!!!

    As_i_c_itAs_i_c_it6 күн мурун
  • Japan is banking on Hydrogen and have killed their nuclear programs to make it happen. They are all in and have the most natural gas around their coasts..

    InsaneMonk3yInsaneMonk3y7 күн мурун
  • Whoever wants to make Hydrogen cars need to just take a page out of Elon's book and create their own Hydrogen charging network. Problem solved.

    prasidha thapaprasidha thapa7 күн мурун
  • Check out Sandy Munro and Plasma Kinetics. PK has developed an astounding technology that completely resolves the hydrogen storage problem and eliminates the need for refueling stations. If Toyota, which has “developed the best fuel cell on the planet” partners with or buys PK the entire auto industry will be dramatically changed.

    Don BrowningDon Browning7 күн мурун
  • This video is terrible. It spent 10 minutes explaining useless chemical reactions without even mentioning what is holding back hydrogen in transportation: Efficiency in production, storage, transportation, and costs of cells. It didn't even mention the recent material breakthrough in production.. It's well known that pushing hydrogen FC cars is a strategy by the auto industry to delay conversion to clean vehicles...

    Edouard RoquetteEdouard Roquette7 күн мурун
  • I thought the biggest challenges to using hydrogen was that it's not as efficient as gasoline so it takes more for the same performance, and manufacturing it is expensive.

    Gregory KitchensGregory Kitchens7 күн мурун
  • at the end of the day the core problem with hydrogen cars is that they're just EVs with extra steps. Ultimately you're just replacing the battery in an EV with Hydrogen tanks. But the issue is that in order to store energy as hydrogen, you have to spend energy. Think about the most ideal situation for both a Hydrogen Vehicle (HV) and an EV. You have a refueling station where everything is made via Green Energy. One Station uses that energy to power an electrolysis machine to make Hydrogen, then the cars take that hydrogen and turns it back into electricity to run them. Whereas the EV station just puts electricity right into the car to use. However, every time you convert energy to another form, you end up wasting some of it along the way. And when you end up doing the math, you end up spending about twice as much energy per mile travelled in an HV compared to an EV. So say you were to try and build a fully self sufficient station for both kinds of cars. For the EV station you would simply need X amount of Solar panels to Power a set number of charging stations, which don't really require any more infrastructure than a few pieces of tech installed next to a parking lot. For the HV station, in order to service the same number of cars, you would have to install twice as many solar panels, and you would need places to put electrolysis machines, and for those to work you need to hook up a water line connection so you'll still be paying water bills at least, and then you would also need somewhere to store all the hydrogen, and then finally you would need to have the actual stations to put the hydrogen in the cars. Since you can't just make water out of thin air, you can't really make a truly self sufficient Hydrogen station, and you'll need to buy a lot more expensive machinery to make it work. And sure while at first blush using twice as much power as an EV might not sound so bad if we make sure it's all green power, that still means that at the very least if an Electric Station was put there instead, about half of the green energy that was going to powering that Hydrogen Station, could have gone to powering other things like people's homes and such instead. Then On top of all of that, Electricity is just more versatile. A Hydrogen Station has to store most of its energy as Hydrogen, which means that you can't really use it for much of anything without putting it back through a fuel cell. Whereas an Electric Station just has a load of batteries that can be charged or discharged as needed. Which means that having an electric station is like having a giant energy backup system that can serve other potential purposes. What this all amounts to is that it's so much easier for more companies to build Electric stations either commercially or at home. Having the ability to charge at home means you likely have a large battery as well which means you could potentially keep your lights on a little longer during a power outage. Or a Restaurant could set up a station in their parking lot due to how little infrastructure it needs, and then the people charging their batteries for 20 minutes could come in for a meal and if the restaurant loses power they could use their station as a backup. You can't really do much of that with Hydrogen since a home station would be way more expensive and require dumping a ton of energy into the hydrogen production, which means a much higher power bill cost compared to owning an EV, and you can't just set up Hydrogen stations in random parking lots due to how much other infrastructure you would need. Electricity just has such a massive leg up in infrastructure thanks to the fact that even if there were 0 Charging stations in the world, at the very least anyone with a house could run a cable out to charge their car overnight. Whereas with Hydrogen you have to go out of your way to get a large scale electrolysis machine. I don't see Hydrogen catching on for the simple fact that no matter what, it will always take so much more infrastructure to set up compared to electricity, all to just power an electric car at twice the cost

    BlazeDragBlazeDrag7 күн мурун
    • @Jordan Mascarenhas That doesn't mean Energy Efficiency doesn't matter. I'm not saying Energy Efficiency is the be-all-end-all but it's still a factor in determining how green a car is. Obviously I'm not talking about Efficiency in regards to cars that emit CO2 cause that's not the point. Neither an EV or an HV is 100% green on its own just because the car doesn't emit gasses. Their operational environmental impact is going to depend on where the energy used to charge them is coming from. And if all factors are equal, such as you're refueling a HV and an EV on the same grid, then an HV is going to be twice as polluting than the EV because you need to use twice as much energy from whatever power plant is nearby to drive the same distance. Like I said if you wanted to drive a hydrogen car today on a modern power grid, you'd be using twice as much energy from that grid per mile than you would in an EV. Which means that you'd be burning twice as much coal from the power plants, which means you're driving a car that's only half as "green" as the EV. And that's not even taking into account all the energy needed to transport and store that hydrogen to get it to the station from the plants that make it, and the resources needed to to build those hydrogen plants and hydrogen stations. You can't complain about EVs because of the resources it takes to manufacture the batteries, and then get to magically ignore all the resources and energy it takes to build the infrastructure needed to maintain and power HVs when making that kind of comparison. Not to mention that an EV can actually be 100% green right now on a consumer level thanks to consumer level solar panels. Whereas getting a Hydrolysis machine is not exactly consumer level right now so you're pretty much forced to continue using the dirty power grid. And at the end of the day you're still "pillaging the earth" to make the batteries and other technologies that are also present in Hydrogen cars. As I stated originally, Hydrogen cars are still basically just EVs. They just have a smaller battery that is very quickly recharged by the fuel cells very often. There's also still plenty of valuable resources that go into a HV's Fuel Cells. So it's not like HV Fuel Cells are able to be magically manufactured in your back yard out of aluminum foil. Modern Day Fuel Cells require elements like Platinum in order to be constructed which is needless to say an expensive metal that needs to be dug up from the earth just like the Lithium used in Batteries.

      BlazeDragBlazeDragКүн мурун
    • @BlazeDrag the entire point of EV vehicles is to be better for the environment, not be the most power efficient engine. If that were the case, we’d stick to gasoline powered vehicles as engines are creeping closer to 50% thermal EFI fences. In fact, F1 motors are over 50% already. No, the point is to be better for the environment. And if we’re not being gullible and instead being honest about helping the environment, the answer as of now is not raping and pillaging g the earth to make EVs. It’s hydrogen. It’s not that difficult to grasp the reality of the situation here

      Jordan MascarenhasJordan MascarenhasКүн мурун
    • I will Concede that a Hydrogen Tank is easier to manufacture and better for the environment than making a huge battery. However, Operating them isn't any better than an EV, in fact it's easily argued to be way worse. Due to the energy losses from converting energy back and forth from hydrogen, A Hydrogen Vehicle uses nearly twice as much energy as an EV per mile. This means that if your power grid is not 100% green, a Hydrogen car is basically burning twice as much coal as an equivalent Electric car driving the same distance. Even if your power grid *is* green, that still means more of the grid has to be dedicated to powering Hydrogen stations. For every solar panel or wind turbine you build to help charge electric cars, you'd have to build 2 or more solar panels or wind turbines to power your hydrogen car. Even though the source is green ,that's still energy that could be going to other places like powering your home or something. So in effect you could count all the energy and materials needed to make those extra solar panels and batteries and whatnot to maintain the Hydrogen infrastructure against Hydrogen Vehicles, which electric cars simply don't need thanks to their ability to piggyback off of the existing Electricity Infrastructure. As a result, Hydrogen is always going to be way more expensive and impractical than the much simpler Electric Cars. And it's not like a Hydrogen car doesn't also need to have huge batteries in it, so the savings on that front aren't as great as you might think. At the end of the day, the sheer amount of brand new infrastructure that is requires to make Hydrogen Cars viable, would have a far bigger impact than simply using Cars with bigger batteries that use electricity directly. And in the short term when most grids aren't totally green, a Hydrogen car burning twice as much energy per mile makes the environmental impact trivial to surpass by an electric vehicle. Especially since it's also really trivial for most anyone who can afford an electric car, to simply buy themselves some solar panels to ensure that their vehicle is actually running on green energy. While purchasing your own Electrolysis Plant at home is not nearly as practical and would still require you to also purchase twice as many solar panels in order to power it and make it green.

      BlazeDragBlazeDragКүн мурун
    • The entire point you are missing here is that Hydrogen powered vehicles are vastly better for the environment. Not just in OPERATING them, but also in MANUFACTURING them👍🏼

      Jordan MascarenhasJordan Mascarenhas6 күн мурун
  • So instead of just putting electricity straight into my car at home, I need to go to a hydrogen station to do it. They use more electricity than I would have used, convert it to hydrogen, lug it around the place, store it, price hike it and sell it to me so I can charge a battery in my car. Just seems like a way to make businesses richer and generate tax dollars. No wonder governments and business like it.

    Old Man StumpieOld Man Stumpie7 күн мурун
  • hydrogen is a waste of time the logistics are too expensive

    aberdeen aberdeenaberdeen aberdeen7 күн мурун
  • Hydrogen-powered cars have the potential to be future cars but the main competition with EVs is the availability of fuel stations on the other hand anyone can charge their EV in their garage. I think EV is going to win the race.

    Shamim AshrafShamim Ashraf7 күн мурун
  • Lol.

    Raynaud MalbroughRaynaud Malbrough7 күн мурун
  • I LIKE YOUR VIDEO & ADV ;)

    Team MTeam M7 күн мурун
  • Fuel cells do not deliver variable power. They are absolutely terrible for cars. End of story.

    VenturestarxVenturestarx7 күн мурун
  • I was curios what would you say and.. of course is just a clickbait video.

    JackJack7 күн мурун
  • Your videos are always clear and very interesting ! Please make one that compare all the different 4x4 transmissions in sport cars, it would certainly attract audience :) Thanks

    alexandre duboisalexandre dubois7 күн мурун
  • Hidrgen saks

    Vjekoslav PavicicVjekoslav Pavicic8 күн мурун
  • Cng end Lng weth Blum tenologe car it is smart aidea

    Vjekoslav PavicicVjekoslav Pavicic8 күн мурун
  • Get real, you forgot to talk about the fact of the pathetic Roundtrip Efficiency of 32% from electricity to Hydrogen back to electricity. Once you compare that to the high 90’s for batteries explain how you use regenerative braking which is a major reduction in the amount of kWh/km driven. So it take time to charge but at less than 1/3rd the cost. Unless cost of electricity is just not an issue.

    Trevor D'OliveiraTrevor D'Oliveira8 күн мурун
  • I would like to see you guys do "what happen to the GM EV-1 form 1997(California)

    Bradley NaylorBradley Naylor8 күн мурун
  • I have another question as well. What happens to all of that water. Do we go from global warming to global humidity? Or is all that water going to drain off the street. Might seem like an inconsequential scenario now, but what would happen if every car was a hydrogen fuel car?

    RedsaturnRedsaturn8 күн мурун
  • Israel company H2Pro has produce hydrogen with 95% efficiency. Their hydrogen will cost less than $1 per kg.

    Johan van DalenJohan van Dalen8 күн мурун
  • I don't think its Elon's idea alone that hydrogen fuel cars are not feasible. I think a large number of engineers and other knowledgeable sources have thought about this, decided that it isn't feasible and that Tesla shouldn't go in that direction. I get the feeling that they gave hydrogen fuel as well as many other options serious consideration for combating emissions.

    RedsaturnRedsaturn8 күн мурун
  • Musk is wrong about a lot of things.

    PeenutzzPeenutzz8 күн мурун
  • Hydrogen fuel cells could be a successful solution but it still has a few hurdles. So, Elon is partially right about that. However, he also thinks people can live on Mars and he is wrong about that. Humans are extremely sensitive to anything but 1 gravity and until we can create artificial gravity, no one is living on Mars, or the moon or any other body for that matter. We can visit, we can make a quick trip but we can't live there.

    Caden GraceCaden Grace8 күн мурун
  • I really can’t see Hydrogen being the main player in the consumer market. The difficulties of it are much less solvable than they are for EVs. Charging times are already almost fast enough on the high-end models - and technology will continue to progress unimaginably. Your car charging wirelessly when you park is much more convenient than going to a hydrogen filling station weekly. The nature of car ownership is also likely to change with self driving. It will be much more important in aviation and industrial vehicles imo.

    J WJ W8 күн мурун
  • Hydrogen is a flammable gas that loves to crack metal… efficiency for energy conversion for life cycle is no where near battery. Every step you lose an amount of energy, therefore the less steps means the less amount of energy lost.

    BaneLokiBaneLoki8 күн мурун
  • Hydrogen is very combustible why use it as a battery instead of like petrol?

    MontyMonty8 күн мурун
  • Don't recomend channel

    Ezekiel WanjohiEzekiel Wanjohi8 күн мурун
  • This makes zero sense.

    Ezekiel WanjohiEzekiel Wanjohi8 күн мурун
  • a fuel cell car is an electric car, not an internal combustion car. Aren't there any ICEs with hydrogen?

    Vasilis GreenVasilis Green8 күн мурун
  • You still need to go to a pump or store and buy something. You can provide most of your own electricity if you want. Hydrogen..... not sure how your making that in a bind

    Larry EmertLarry Emert8 күн мурун
  • Great video. The new Mirai is RWD too, so weld that diff and get skidding!

    Dr MikeDr Mike10 күн мурун
  • It's kind of interesting looking at this. Here in NZ we are a pretty linear country - our main highways are basically in a line. Couple that with our high availability of renewable energy (mostly hydro) and we're situated pretty well for hydrogen - which has better fueling times and currently seems to have better range. There's companies looking at setting up fueling stations for trucks (as in shipping/cargo trucks). A lot of these will be able to produce hydrogen on site. The interesting thing? Current hydrogen trucks would get the same range as their petrol counterparts (around 600km or so here) but would also have the advantage of instant torque from electric propulsion *without* sacrificing the quick fueling times of petrol!

    Angus BrownAngus Brown10 күн мурун
  • Hydrogen will never take off, because humans are lazy. We have lots of gas stations, and everyone has electrical outlets in their house, so we will just opt for the easiest option - firstly gas cars, and secondly BEV's, because we don't need to build out a whole new network of hydrogen refuelling stations, AND build massive hydrogen generation plants to supply that network. And of course Mr Musket's Supercharger network along with Electrify America and billions of dollars promised by the current president to further expand EV rapid charging networks are going to cement the status quo. Something has to replace gas cars, because oil is so 20th century, and will run out at some point, and electricity can be generated from multiple sources and is ubiquitous, so it's really a no-brainer. Yes, you can use electricity to generate hydrogen, but isn't that just adding extra cost and an extra layer of complexity to what is a relatively simple and established technology? We have been using electric motors and batteries to do stuff for over a century, and have now finally got batteries good enough to run our cars, so why not?

    aftonlineaftonline10 күн мурун
  • Also KGflow suggestion: “Why hydrogen cars flopped!!!” - Donut Media Made 2 months before this video.

    Lawrence AlejandroLawrence Alejandro10 күн мурун
  • This article was written about Nikola but it explains the issues with H2 well seekingalpha.com/article/4439541-nikola-too-many-holes-in-hydrogen-production#comments_header

    Brian BentBrian Bent10 күн мурун
  • How long do fuel cells last?

    Aaron ___Aaron ___10 күн мурун
    • About 10 years

      Engineering the weird guyEngineering the weird guy10 күн мурун
  • Hydrogen= diesel of the future Electric= gasoline of the future

    Matthews01 • 53 years agoMatthews01 • 53 years ago10 күн мурун
  • Fuel cells will never beat batteries. They have to go where batteries can't. The round trip efficiency of fuel cells is much worse than electricity into a battery. Electricity is everywhere, including my garage. Hydrogen isn't. Hydrogen will always cost more, because it's less efficient, and the infrastructure is much more expensive.

    Frank RenewablesCheapFrank RenewablesCheap10 күн мурун
  • Hydrogen is made from methane and cannot be stored long term. Actually it can be used as a fuel, but those who made it work got killed. Those who wasted the couple of billion dollars in useless R&D made a career out of it. The result was : read the first sentence. Back to square one.

    Aleš FantiničAleš Fantinič10 күн мурун
  • im sorry to ruin this but there's something that hydrogen lacks compared to ev : 1. its pricey af to build the cars 2. hydrogen by its substances is extremely susceptible to leaking problem 3. hydrogen storage is hard to build and manufacture, so its cost a lot 4. hydrogen atoms is soooo small that it can leak through almost anything that we normally use as a storage, so a sophisticated storage compartment is needed 5. energy losses through fuel cell and electrolysis is quite significant to be viable to reduce its price basically hydogen fuel is hard because the nature of hydrogen itself

    Mohammad AlfayedMohammad Alfayed11 күн мурун
  • Just unsuscribed, thanks to open my eyes about the false hydrogen LIES. Good luck with the desinformation and click-baits.

    XavierXavier11 күн мурун