Why We'll Never See Another Cheap Mid-Engined Car

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Toyota MR2. Pontiac Fiero. Gone. Why? The "cheapest" Mid-engined cars today are the C8 Corvette and the Lotus Evora- Not exactly affordable. Why is no one sticking their FWD drivetrain the back of a cheap coupe? Let's find out

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  • Thank you Helix for sponsoring today’s video! Go to helixsleep.com/donutmedia for up to $200 off your mattress and two free pillows!

    Donut MediaDonut Media16 күн мурун
    • I thought he said hulix

      CrazyDilo 25CrazyDilo 256 күн мурун
    • @EP Man haha yeah but I can sleep on mine

      Ace GgkspadeAce Ggkspade12 күн мурун
    • i can buy hundres of regular mattress with that kind of money.. i bet hundreds or matresses is much more comfortable than just 1 helix matress

      EP ManEP Man12 күн мурун
    • @Ace Ggkspade oh my god... $3200? hell, my 150cc yamaha bike cost just around $2000 when i bought it new

      EP ManEP Man12 күн мурун
    • @EP Man dude the beds are good. I got one like that for my daughter’s bed, she loves it. My dad always said never go cheap on two things, your shoes and your beds, because if your not in one your in the other. Personally I like my bed, but it’s north of $3200 so I won’t recommend it to you

      Ace GgkspadeAce Ggkspade12 күн мурун
  • Why no mention of the Toyota mr2?

    Lincoln BealsLincoln Beals24 мүнөт мурун
  • *Twinkle Twinkle MR2, how I love to be in you~* - The guy who daily drives one.

    Billy BadassBilly Badass4 саат мурун
  • 8:04 *looks at the Honda NSX* Also on the subject of electrification, perhaps smaller more economic gasoline engines could be a viable option to keep ICE alive. There is a British company by the name of Connaught that has developed 2.0 L V10 engines delivering 200 bhp and 40 mpg (UK gallon). They say the engine is fully modular and can be made into a V4, V6, V8 and V12 if necessary. Worth looking into, I think.

    Dylan RichardsDylan Richards8 саат мурун
  • nolan:there is no more affordable mid engine car anymore! porsche boxter honda s660 mazda mx5/miata(yes it is front mid engined): are we a joke to you?

    cooper broscooper bros10 саат мурун
  • pontiac fiero is a nice looking car

    solid snakesolid snake13 саат мурун
  • Bro stop talking about these cars more people are buying them than they have in a mf year

    Just AsherJust Asher22 саат мурун
  • Actually, mid engine does matter in an EV. Center of gravity is still a thing.

    black boiblack boiКүн мурун
  • Shit, i should probably start taking better care of my mrs.

    bob jamesbob jamesКүн мурун
  • Hyundai is working on one

    AsphaltAsphaltКүн мурун
  • s660:???

    SCOtt wangSCOtt wang2 күн мурун
  • A 2023 or 2024 Fiero that goes to space yo!!! 😜🤣🤣🤣🤣

    guitarboyjeffguitarboyjeff2 күн мурун
  • Imagine this. A mid-engine LFA reboot

    36daygamr36daygamr2 күн мурун
  • No, not everyone loves the C8. It may perform well, but it's ugly asf.

    speedjunkie13speedjunkie132 күн мурун
  • How will low income people be able to afford EVs to include maintenance and repair? Where are all these charging stations particularly in rural areas? I live in a rural area and there is only ine charging station in the whole county. Not everyone lives in a city with public transportation.

    The Blue Max 713The Blue Max 7132 күн мурун
  • Where is that Intro from

    SammerHammerSammerHammer2 күн мурун
  • Donut: for a sports car, you want rear wheel drive. Donut: shows 4 wheel drive Bugatti

    kevin lamkevin lam2 күн мурун
  • I still want a MR2. Dream car when I was in high school and now I drive a family SUV. One day...

    Z MZ M2 күн мурун
  • There has to be an enjoyable vehicle for the masses!!! The rich pricks with no brains and only money pretend they rebuilt or customized everything themselves, and priced us out or custom building. So leave driving enjoyment alone. Suzuki had promised a GSXRR canam, lets see.

    Rod MRod M2 күн мурун
  • Sell-eek-ka.....

    progressive Armyprogressive Army3 күн мурун
  • I wouldn't put it past Hyundai, they may have been testing the waters with the RM-19 as they have ramped down Veloster production to only offer the N Line going forward on it so they may be planning something completely new and dynamic under that nameplate in the future. Who knows.

    twothreebravotwothreebravo3 күн мурун
  • Your explanation of PMOI was way off. Love the Chanel agree 100% with your summations but your”engineer explanation of PMOI” was just wrong. Please repost your video with that explanation removed because everything else is valid and important!

    Matt ThroMatt Thro3 күн мурун
  • No one is talking about the *REAL* problem here... *You can't Irohazaka Jump an electric car.*

    The ExperimenterThe Experimenter4 күн мурун
  • Well technically if you engine is mounted behind the front axle it's mid engine. For example. The S2000 is a mid engine car. Just not rear mounted

    Tonyw2394Tonyw23944 күн мурун
  • Just like boomers 😆

    Valentino Avila IIValentino Avila II4 күн мурун
  • Lotus?

    Adam HenryAdam Henry4 күн мурун
  • Some companies have stated to end fossil-fueled car production. Do you know how it would affect the markets and cars in the future?

    Chell in a CellChell in a Cell4 күн мурун
  • Me lusting over a fictional 2022 Fiero. Though knowing GM it would probably be a rebadged C8, in which case I would still want one. 😅

    AMP EntertainmentAMP Entertainment4 күн мурун
  • Renault have done with the clio V6 ... and it was a interesting car to drive. Heavy foot was not allowed. And Lancia with the Delta S4 stradale. And Peugeot with the 206 T16, they have move the engine to the back.

    madjhmadjh4 күн мурун
  • Mid engine corvette is a cheap car

    Aaron MarshallAaron Marshall5 күн мурун
  • Thought cayman was rear engined?

    malachi manville downermalachi manville downer5 күн мурун
  • I will never "not" call it the Toyota Celeesha again. LOL

    navicapolia1navicapolia15 күн мурун
  • how about Honda S660?

    Joe JiaoJoe Jiao5 күн мурун
  • Great video! also Im sad to say but dodge put on their instagram that they are making an all electric car....the end of an era is here

    Nathan HNathan H5 күн мурун
  • you know that meme with the red super hero, sweating, trying to decide which red button to push?? Yeah... that's me, but with Wheel House and B2B. SHOUTOUT JERIMIAH!!!!!!

    Wilson GonzalezWilson Gonzalez5 күн мурун
  • i was tricked into watching a bumper2bumper video!

    Electro_Electro_5 күн мурун
  • Honda makes a Honda Beat and a Honda s660 common guys

    Rodlin LafleurRodlin Lafleur5 күн мурун
  • I don’t really like this show but I love you for saying type r swap a delsol 💜💜💜💜

    Rodlin LafleurRodlin Lafleur5 күн мурун
  • bla bla bla

    Draeci DarkheartDraeci Darkheart6 күн мурун
  • Hahaha here in europe we have a small economy car from renault and it's mid engined. It's called the Twingo 😁 its 1200€ new 😁

    janez lebenjanez leben6 күн мурун
  • I want a mid engine Subaru

    Dylan RandolphDylan Randolph6 күн мурун
  • instagram.com/reel/CRltFXbjnGw/?

  • There's never been any such thing as a mid engine car. It's another motor industry myth. If you put the engine in the middle of a car you'll find there's no room for the driver and front passenger. So it's at the back. How far back varies from car to car but essentially all so called 'mid engined' cars are in reality rear engine cars.

    J SJ S6 күн мурун
  • What about the Renault Twingo? Alpine A110?

    Erebus [朱色制限]Erebus [朱色制限]6 күн мурун
  • I found a old porshe for $11,500

    hamzicalhamzical6 күн мурун
  • 💯

    PokerFaceTVPokerFaceTV6 күн мурун
  • well, the new Renault Twingo

    Christoffer NiemonenChristoffer Niemonen6 күн мурун
  • I knew someone in high school that had a lime green 1973 Porsche 914 that he bought for $3K. Have you guys seen how much a good 914 goes for now days?

    Donald WilsonDonald Wilson6 күн мурун
  • Back in the 80’s my dad and I built a mid engine kit car (a Raffo) which took an Alfa Sud engine gear box and drive shafts and mounted it mid car.

    Mandy FlameMandy Flame6 күн мурун
  • Volkswagen Type 2 Deluxe: *Am I a joke to you?*

    BunsennBunsenn6 күн мурун

    nopal87nopal876 күн мурун
  • Tesla starts advertising as mid engine cause they have motors at the rear wheels...... lol

    J. ChurchJ. Church6 күн мурун
  • Bye, Celicia!!

    J. ChurchJ. Church6 күн мурун
  • Also wanted to say all the manufacturers that committed to the electricacation of there cars are owned by larger companies that will still make ic cars, except lotus which i think i can wrap my head around why they would go electric uk

    Matthew StearnsMatthew Stearns6 күн мурун
  • Great video, kia needs to make a smaller stinger mid engined, there really is a potential gain for someone who makes one rn could be the next miata

    Matthew StearnsMatthew Stearns6 күн мурун
  • In order for anyone to build a cheap car, they need to be able to sell lots of them to average people. What you left out while fellating all things mid-engine is that they aren't good DD's because they are far more prone to oversteer when braking in a corner. Hell, they have a tendency to oversteer just from lifting off the throttle too quickly in a corner. If you throw the average 30 year old in a Miata/S2000/BRZ/etc they will have few issues on an autocross track. Throw that same person into a mid-engine car and they will be sliding all over the place because they need to completely relearn how to drive. Now move that car to public roads with millions of idiots that seemingly got their license out of a Cracker Jack box. Modern mid-engine super cars get around this largely through expensive electronically controlled suspensions and other stability systems. That, again, adds cost which makes a safe for 'joe six pack' mid-engine sports car more expensive and all but precludes a budget option.

    CzechSixTvCzechSixTv6 күн мурун
  • Correction… Zora Duntov was advocating for mid engine Corvette in 1958.

    ChuckOChuckO6 күн мурун
  • Toyoda hinted at one being developed along with the 'new' Supra, etc. So far, they've followed thru each time. Fingers crossed this one is fulfilled, as well.

    ImUrOBGYNImUrOBGYN6 күн мурун
  • Toyota could totally revive the MR2 today

    S.M. Media ProductionsS.M. Media Productions7 күн мурун
  • Kei cars ......

    HondaMan VtecHondaMan Vtec7 күн мурун
  • Dodge technically made a mid engine 1969 dodge charger although it was only one and it was for the movies

    Mariedth 21Mariedth 217 күн мурун
  • Maybe I'm missing something. The entire car would never rotate instead on the wheel so the weight being further away would be negligible. I DO see how placing the weight closer to the traction point and more balance gained by being distributed more evenly throughout the vehicle would definitely have advantages in handling and performance but that's another story. By the way, EXCELLENT channel and graphics! I just found you guys and BOY do you explain concepts in a manner that's easy to understand. Subbed.

    Enigmatic NomadicsEnigmatic Nomadics7 күн мурун
  • I kept reading it mid engineered😂💀

    GuusGuus7 күн мурун
  • The 4C's engine is borrowed from a front wheel drive car, the giulietta QV. It's expensive because of the carbon tub, not because of the engine. A base spec 4C coupe was also $55k MSRP, not $67k.

    Phat ToniPhat Toni7 күн мурун
  • MR2 would be a good comeback story.

    That Guy Before TechThat Guy Before Tech7 күн мурун
  • 3:04 thats what I was doing when I was a kid, grabing a toy car on its rear wheels and spining around 😂

    Edward K.Edward K.7 күн мурун
  • 2:49 = !!!Triggered

    The-Mike_DThe-Mike_D7 күн мурун
  • Mk2 gen 2,gr86,gt86,gr Yaris are my fav cars form Toyota supra is overratted

    Mayank MaximumMayank Maximum7 күн мурун
  • I pronounce the Celica: Suh - lee - kuh so i mean your friend wasnt far off

    Hi HillHi Hill7 күн мурун
  • The Rm19 project has been converted to the mr23t. With the developer of 2.3litre i4 from the focus range being brought to Hyundai……. Rumors are Hyundai is still gonna do it but make it a roadster style instead of a hatchback. And with the major success of their N brand why wouldn’t they?

    Reid VaughnReid Vaughn7 күн мурун
  • insults "boomers"...says "be kind". says he doesn't know the physics so he'll have someone else who knows the physics explain...that someone else completely screws it up. say what you will about "boomers", at least they know high school physics. and so do plenty of other people who are older...and younger than you. the donut media guys seem to be the kinds of guys who went straight through remedial everything, graduated with a house full of participation trophies, and never even went to a community college, but still think they know everything. and just so you know, that explanation was actually justification for the car tipping up more, not accelerating more. and the real reason that a smaller moment can be good is to make your car more nimble or easier to turn. a larger moment can make the car more stable. this is why i usually don't watch your videos...you guys are idiots. wait, let me fix it: you guys are rude, immature idiots with a dramatic lack self-awareness. there, that's better. maybe you should refrain from insulting people old enough to be my dad and instead go learn a little bit about cars before you set yourself up as an authority about them while telling people to "be kind." but hey, if you want to publicly be a pile of crap, don't let me rain on your very public and crappy parade. i was that young and stupid once too...just not so publicly and not so stupid...and usually a lot more self-aware.

    Roy HammelRoy Hammel7 күн мурун
  • Never letting go of my first gen MR2!

    Kyle O'ConnorKyle O'Connor7 күн мурун
  • Japan: *Laughs in Honda S660*

    madfire 208madfire 2087 күн мурун
  • Do a video from the future about the last manual car. I nominate the 2032 Mitsubishi Mirage.

    Andrew HAndrew H7 күн мурун
  • *Dogecoin to the moon* 🚀🚀🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌

    domaindiego_ TTVdomaindiego_ TTV7 күн мурун
  • We got 91 3sgte,92 5sfe,01 1zz-fe, but I think Toyota should built n copy mr2 Thailand built,n give 600whp n sell it for 60g ,who's up for 1?

    Joey JetJoey Jet7 күн мурун
  • Lotus Emira?

    Nathan WaightNathan Waight7 күн мурун
  • Vote Republican and then watch Gas make a comeback. It's the Communists that want to get rid of gasoline

    Dan MatzDan Matz7 күн мурун
  • I guess I'm in the automotive minority to say that I prefer an electric sports car anyway, since they are typically faster, have better weight distribution, and of course there's the better for that you don't have as many parts to worry about in regards to running and maintaining the car itself. But for those who prefer a loud engine / exhaust note, and who love the idea of getting their hands dirty by working on an internal combustion engine, all the above is totally irrelevant.

    Jo LCJo LC7 күн мурун
  • Nice video as always, just 2 things to add: 1. The mid-engined moment of inertia has bigger benefit in handling than transferring power to the road. It is mainly used for neutral behavior in cornering. 2. A new, relatively cheap mid-engined car has just been announced. It was in development since 2016 in Britain. Search for Wells Vertige. But I admit it is still not as cheap as the MR2 was. Honda should resurrect it!

    pan vomackapan vomacka8 күн мурун
  • I got a fiero. It's a POS

    CJ 239CJ 2398 күн мурун
  • I would like to see you guys do "what happen to the GM EV-1 form 1997(California)

    Bradley NaylorBradley Naylor8 күн мурун
  • Short version, because the stock market and the finance industry requires increased profits per unit. In the 90s, something that was profitable and good marketing was fine. Now, it has to make a lot of money, and marketing is cheap thanks to Influencers, social media, and stuff like KGflow.

    The Driver's LineThe Driver's Line8 күн мурун
  • I love my mr2

    Mike MikeMike Mike8 күн мурун
  • closest thing we've got is the lotus emira

    EshEsh8 күн мурун
  • The engine in the alfa 4c was never specifically made for it. The engine was also used in the alfa gulietta and mito QV

    alfa romeoalfa romeo8 күн мурун
  • X1/9 with an Abarth turbo drivetrain please, preferably not made of rust.

    ZG 862ZG 8628 күн мурун
  • Sooo... Other than it possibly being a hard sell, there's no valid reason for manufacturers not to build affordable mid-engine cars. Also, if Ford were to ask all current Mustang owners if they would buy an affordable mid-engine Mustang, I bet nearly 100% of them would say yes. So, having an established design history isn't a valid reason not to switch to mid-engine, either.

    tayl0rdtayl0rd8 күн мурун
  • Somebody tried to buy my AW11 in the Aldi parking lot this week. I just laughed and offered to take them for a ride sometime.

    John LaneJohn Lane8 күн мурун
  • What car company is Hon-die?

    nth7273nth72738 күн мурун
  • A real man wants the engine in the front, with the driver and the driven wheel at the back. Lotus Seven, Viper.

    Kristian JonssonKristian Jonsson8 күн мурун
  • The Honda S660 is new and its a mid engine “sports” car.

    Eric DEric D8 күн мурун
  • The advantage with a mid-engined configuration was not explained properly. The gain is not in the vertical plane, but in the horizontal plane. To keep the mass close to the middle to reduce the pendulum effect when the car change direction of travel. The mid-engined car will always be impractical and that why it is an low volume car. Lotus Elise, the only not-that-expensive-one today

    Kristian JonssonKristian Jonsson8 күн мурун
  • A Mid-engine v12 Dodge viper would be dope and if the put it on track with pricing for the c8

    Short CircuitShort Circuit8 күн мурун
  • Renault Clio v6 as well

    nelson hardynelson hardy8 күн мурун
  • It was never cheap in the first place, the MR2 was quite expensive.

    MissHMissH8 күн мурун
  • Whatever brand that sticks with ICE over EVs will gain a lot of customers

    Small Ben7Small Ben78 күн мурун
    • ICE aren't going away anytime soon. They have to figure out how to cheaply recycle the batteries of old ev or find a new way to make batteries that doesn't include cobalt or nickel. If they don't do that EV's are going to become crazy expensive long before the ICE dies.

      Chad FranklinChad Franklin6 күн мурун
  • Guys I’m doing an AWD delete on my Subaru so that it can be No Wheel Drive I’ll let you know how it goes

    IsaiahIsaiah8 күн мурун
  • Yo the production (especially the animations, big props to them!) is so tight on this! 3:20

    Philip ?Philip ?8 күн мурун
    • And the music is dope too, love the upright bass.

      Philip ?Philip ?8 күн мурун
  • Dodge should do a Mid Engine 1000hp Viper 😬

    MachtMacht8 күн мурун